tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post7232012804562353655..comments2023-10-31T11:27:58.514-05:00Comments on THE SATURDAY AFTERNOON POST: JESUS AND UNIVERSAL NATIONAL HEALTH CARE REFORM/ ADDENDUMJack Jodellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02165430903903838990noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-76002505339017156612009-08-28T11:19:56.261-05:002009-08-28T11:19:56.261-05:00I would say most Fundamentalist "Christians&q...I would say most Fundamentalist "Christians" have a rigid and authoritarian world view. Morality with these people is cut and dried. They see themselves as enforcers, juries, judges, wardens, and executioners of God's will. While God Himself gave humankind a free will, these people use their deluded interpretations as justification for killing athiests and others they view as "non-Christians" (i.e. communists and Muslims) since they view those groups as a threat to Christianity. In other words, abortion is wrong, but killing criminals and other they view as dangerous to Christianity is perfectly acceptable, even commendable. It is a paradoxical stand, but one they will split hairs with you on forever.Jack Jodellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02165430903903838990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-81810239215115871962009-08-28T00:33:39.052-05:002009-08-28T00:33:39.052-05:00Why are most Christians against abortion but are p...Why are most Christians against abortion but are proud to send their children to war?Stella by Starlighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16385761338190877425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-34584569501443011392009-08-27T23:10:04.731-05:002009-08-27T23:10:04.731-05:00That's a great idea, Stella! Thanks for sharin...That's a great idea, Stella! Thanks for sharing, and I hope it helps "convert" some of those hard-core fundamentalists opposed to health care reform!Jack Jodellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02165430903903838990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-37311120187499663422009-08-27T20:29:18.101-05:002009-08-27T20:29:18.101-05:00Talk to ultra-conservative Fundamentalists who bel...Talk to ultra-conservative Fundamentalists who believe in scripture, and I support Freedom of Religion (not forcing it down my throat). Seems to me that we could learn a lot from Jack's post. Arm yourself with passages of how Christ healed the sick and cared for the poor. Then ask them to explain how they are following Christ's example.<br /><br />Allow for sputtering and incoherent, illogical responses.Stella by Starlighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16385761338190877425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-47528009056643065812009-08-26T13:34:46.777-05:002009-08-26T13:34:46.777-05:00Thanks, Gwendolyn. It will be a very happy day whe...Thanks, Gwendolyn. It will be a very happy day when President Obama signs into law a decent health care reform bill, which I hope he will do right at Teddy's gravesite. That would be only fitting and proper.Jack Jodellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02165430903903838990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-79014390849620000342009-08-26T08:49:51.513-05:002009-08-26T08:49:51.513-05:00Mornin' Jack...
I'm in accord with the res...Mornin' Jack...<br />I'm in accord with the rest of the commentary here. Great polarity! Bravo. <br /><br />and<br />YES, it is a very sad day. Very.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16419040049480437384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-31494416850017083692009-08-25T09:35:36.616-05:002009-08-25T09:35:36.616-05:00mud_rake,
I'm with you 100% on your take on t...mud_rake, <br />I'm with you 100% on your take on the loud, socially conservative fundamentalists. Ian Anderson described them perfectly on the back cover of the old "Aqualung" LP when he paraphrased the quotation from the book of Genesis by saying, "In the beginning, man created God in his own image and likeness."<br /><br />The religious community is at its very best when it speaks out and acts against war, injustice, and deprivation on principle. It is at its very worst when it acts as the self-appointed judge, jury, baliff, and warden of Jesus on a personalized level, which, unfortunately, it does much of the time, especially the fundamentalist faction. Thanks for your accurate observations and keep up the fight against hypocrisy!Jack Jodellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02165430903903838990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-63306557069969220372009-08-25T09:23:16.054-05:002009-08-25T09:23:16.054-05:00Tim,
Your points are well taken. But at least as f...Tim,<br />Your points are well taken. But at least as far as the Catholic Church is concerned, the cold iceberg of siding with the far right on many social and economic issues they erected may finally be starting to melt. I have long been frustrated by their departure from social justice and social activism, but that may be changing at last. A good friend pointed out to me `that the US Catholic Conference of Bishops has issued a 10 point proclamation on Catholic stances on economic life (much good stuff there!) which can be found on their website at www.usccb.org/jphd/economiclife. Also, the Catholic Campaign for Human Development has begun two major new endeavors. One is to involve more young Catholics in learning the Church's social teachings, and the other recognizes young adults' efforts to address root causes of poverty. And the first thing new Auxiliary Bishop Lee Piche of the Archdiocese of Minneapolis-St. Paul did was to march in an interfaith rally for health care and economic reform for the poor. These are all hopeful signs we should encourage more of.<br /><br />I still maintain that important reforms of today will not be possible without active help from the religious community. Civil rights and War on Poverty legislation would never have passed without their support and pressure, and so will it be today with health care and economic reform.Jack Jodellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02165430903903838990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-44989783945248812972009-08-25T07:49:01.434-05:002009-08-25T07:49:01.434-05:00Excellent post, as usual. I am continually harass...Excellent post, as usual. I am continually harassed on my blog by evangelical fundamentalists [because I challenge their 'gosh golly' minds]and I find many of these oh-so righteous christians [small c] some of the most intolerant and self-centered individuals on earth.<br /><br />Jesus would have wept over these so-called followers.<br /><br />To me they are charlatans, just using the name, 'Christian' as an excuse to live their haughty, rich and insular lifestyles.mud_rakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04786611698569598023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-18243751301463988392009-08-24T16:30:10.240-05:002009-08-24T16:30:10.240-05:00I've never thought of the health care issue in...I've never thought of the health care issue in these terms, but you are right, of course. The Church has no problem inserting itself into secular/political matters when it comes to abortion. How is the health of any LIVING soul any less important? Ah...but the Catholic hierarchy is staunchly right wing, and that makes it, by definition, an institution built on hypocrisy; thus, 46 million unhealthy Americans can just die for all the Church cares.Tim Fleminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09725008638928981678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-77795410238658772512009-08-23T10:46:03.075-05:002009-08-23T10:46:03.075-05:00That's right, Vigilante. Their ONLY concern se...That's right, Vigilante. Their ONLY concern seems to be with huge profit. What we have is not so much a health care system as a "profit generating system." Morality demands we have far more of the former and much, much less of the latter!Jack Jodellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02165430903903838990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-79866470603587855642009-08-23T10:36:20.355-05:002009-08-23T10:36:20.355-05:00Yeah, Jack, I'm not aware of any room for Jesu...Yeah, Jack, I'm not aware of any room for Jesus or God in these pofiteers' RETURN ON INVESTMENT (ROI).Vigilantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07640246609540057997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-80488515766090516732009-08-23T07:58:59.502-05:002009-08-23T07:58:59.502-05:00Hey, Stimpson, nice hearing from you, and I'll...Hey, Stimpson, nice hearing from you, and I'll check that out. Remember, believer or not, civil rights would never have passed without great moral indignation and pressure from the religious community. That is why I have called out to them on this great moral issue. <br />-------------<br />Max's Dad,<br />As is so often the case, you and I see eye to eye on this . Must be our upper midwest sense of fairness and common sense. If you're ever in Minneapolis during baseball season, we should hook up and do a Twins game together! :)<br />------------<br />Manifesto Joe,<br />Yeah, no co-payment, no deductible, no profit---period. Of course, Jesus wasn't greedy, nor did He put the wants of a greedy broad of directors or other dividend-hungry stockholders before the needs of the afflicted. Must have been one of them there nasty socialists, huh?Jack Jodellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02165430903903838990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-4629545542265721172009-08-23T02:09:18.132-05:002009-08-23T02:09:18.132-05:00Hey Jack:
You mean, like, Jesus didn't ask La...Hey Jack:<br /><br />You mean, like, Jesus didn't ask Lazarus for a co-payment?Manifesto Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06521151220297061304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-77941774704428171032009-08-23T01:01:00.818-05:002009-08-23T01:01:00.818-05:00Bravo, Jack. Turn this issue into a morality play ...Bravo, Jack. Turn this issue into a morality play and see where it goes. This has always been about what's right. These so-called Christians need to be slapped back to reality. Their Jesus is shaking his head at best and throwing up at worst.Once again, it's about what is right.Max's Dadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10279218439042723141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-62966127340802539662009-08-23T00:36:55.298-05:002009-08-23T00:36:55.298-05:00Of course, this argument doesn't do much to co...Of course, this argument doesn't do much to convince us non-believers. But then I don't need any convincing. <br /><br />Just FYI, Roger Ebert has been blogging about health care reform. A fairly devout Catholic, he quotes the New Testament in his latest entry.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10183891839987655906noreply@blogger.com