tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post4487769178220538031..comments2023-10-31T11:27:58.514-05:00Comments on THE SATURDAY AFTERNOON POST: LIBERAL? Or PROGRESSIVE?? What Are YOU???Jack Jodellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02165430903903838990noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-7772361233045238782016-12-16T15:20:53.292-06:002016-12-16T15:20:53.292-06:00There is a chance you're qualified for a new g...<b>There is a chance you're qualified</b> for a new government solar energy program. <br /><b><a href="http://green.syntaxlinks.com/r/BestSolarEnergySystem" rel="nofollow">Click here</a></b> to find out if you're eligble now!Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07287821785570247118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-1549582486341187942010-11-24T15:18:07.841-06:002010-11-24T15:18:07.841-06:00generic ciallis,
I suspect you are spam. When I cl...generic ciallis,<br />I suspect you are spam. When I click on your name, a site written completely in Spanish comes up...Jack Jodellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02165430903903838990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-75055344069524329292010-11-24T00:32:49.716-06:002010-11-24T00:32:49.716-06:00In principle, a good happen, support the views of ...In principle, a good happen, support the views of the authorgeneric cialishttp://www.agir-galiza.org/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-42039840280610792292010-11-22T14:44:03.626-06:002010-11-22T14:44:03.626-06:00Dusty, given your situation, I have one regret: T...Dusty, given your situation, I have one regret: The cat lost.TomCathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11397335545286040472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-10751625194285312622010-11-21T15:56:34.657-06:002010-11-21T15:56:34.657-06:00Amen to that, Dusty!Amen to that, Dusty!Jack Jodellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02165430903903838990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-42191436675109974462010-11-21T10:57:36.253-06:002010-11-21T10:57:36.253-06:00After all the fuckery the Blue Dogs pulled on Obam...After all the fuckery the Blue Dogs pulled on Obama, I WILL NOT vote for 'one of them'unless they adhere to several core beliefs of mine.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06698117410778232102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-57416100791687894832010-11-21T10:32:12.018-06:002010-11-21T10:32:12.018-06:00Engineer of Knowledge,
Great to have you back! Yep...Engineer of Knowledge,<br />Great to have you back! Yep, Andy Harris is already proving to be a loudmouth crybaby, demanding his GOVERNMENT-RUN health insurance even before he takes office! Typical far-right hypocrisy and self-centeredness, and that's why it's no wonder he even told his teabagger backers to take a hike. Teddy Roosevelt, one of my favorite Presidents, too, is surely spinning in his grave. I admired him for his forcefulness in dealing with the stuffy economic kingpins of his day. I did NOT admire his imperialistic bent, though, but I do understand it when placed in the context of his time. I think Obama could learn a great deal from Teddy R!<br />---------------<br />Dusty,<br />I admire your tenacity in sticking it out in that miserably red area in which you live. I don't blame you at all for voting for your cat, given those circumstances. You are a shining light surrounded by darkness there, and you are always welcome here at my blog! :-)Jack Jodellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02165430903903838990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-79044471593553663492010-11-21T09:02:24.330-06:002010-11-21T09:02:24.330-06:00Jack, my county is run by the Rethugs. It has been...Jack, my county is run by the Rethugs. It has been forever, I live in the San Joaquin valley, the reddest part of Cali that has been controlled by the right forever. D's don't even run against the R incumbent in Kern County for the most part. That is when I vote for Scooter Lee, one of my cats.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06698117410778232102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-89253419029321931682010-11-21T08:44:26.998-06:002010-11-21T08:44:26.998-06:00Hello Jack,
It has been a while since I last poste...Hello Jack,<br />It has been a while since I last posted with you my friend. That being said, I have been very busy with things going on in my life but in a good way. One thing was jury duty and have always been appointed as Foreman of the jury. One case did not end until 9:15 PM.<br /><br />I have always been a fan and consider my viewpoints to be in line with the great Republican President, Teddy Roosevelt.<br /><br />One of the latest things I want to pass on is here in Maryland we have a new congressman, Andy Harris, here in the 1st district of Maryland. He was voted in over a one term Moderate Democratic who had beat Andy 2 years before. This person is one of the ultra right wing Republican Conservatives but in truth, he is just a bought and paid for corporate mouthpiece and influenced vote.<br /><br />A delegation of the “Maryland Tea Party” visited his office in Annapolis where he is currently a State Senator. This Tea Party group started to tell him how he was going to vote on what issues because, as they felt, they were responsible for bringing him into power with their support.<br /><br />Well this self-absorbed, narcissistic, corporate stogie, stood up, went to his door of his office, and politely but firmly dismissed the “Tea Party Delegation” with the statement, “I was the one elected into Congress….not you.” Basically Andy Harris told the Tea Party to “Fuck Off!!”<br /><br />So once again the Tea Party got a slap of reality of how much real influence they have in politics and that they are nothing more than being manipulated politically through their own ignorance. Just like the “Moral Majority,” “Christian Coalition,” “Tax Payers Association,” or any others that have been duped as such; the Republican could give a “Rat’s Ass” of what the Tea Party wants or demands.<br /><br />They will only serve themselves which is “Corporate America.”Engineer of Knowledgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02179784871538454388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-87180720457885822632010-11-20T14:09:10.331-06:002010-11-20T14:09:10.331-06:00Until a third party candidate can prove to me he o...Until a third party candidate can prove to me he or she is strong enough to get 50.1% of the vote, I believe a vote for that candidate, no matter how brave, is a wasted vote which will aid Republicans in getting one of theirs elected. I think the most practical answer is for progressives to flood their Democratic Party precinct and district caucuses, and state party conventions, and make absolutely certain that only progressive candidates get nominated for office. Then, of course, they must work to get those candidates elected. The only thing voting third party or blue dog "Republican Lite" does is to elect conservative Republicans, and they are the ones sucking the lifeblood out of the poor and working class and destroying our economy!Jack Jodellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02165430903903838990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-49472805116808568012010-11-20T13:41:40.772-06:002010-11-20T13:41:40.772-06:00Dusty, it's brave it the third party candidate...Dusty, it's brave it the third party candidate actually has a real chance to win. Sadly, that is seldom the case.TomCathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11397335545286040472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-55054859115135002012010-11-19T21:48:19.462-06:002010-11-19T21:48:19.462-06:00Gwen,
You are very fortunate to be surrounded by s...Gwen,<br />You are very fortunate to be surrounded by such aware and involved young people. I would encourage them any way I could to keep their interest and passion!<br />---------------<br />TomCat and Dusty,<br />What usually happens when people vote for a third party candidate or don't vote at all is that the conservative Republican will gain a plurality and will take the office, something I can't go for at all!<br />---------------<br />Marc,<br />That is a VERY accurate set of observations! You DO know your politics and history. I agree with 7ou strongly, and that is why I consider myself to be an American Dissident! Blog on, brother!Jack Jodellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02165430903903838990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-53134371503485459272010-11-19T16:04:17.326-06:002010-11-19T16:04:17.326-06:00I'm not sure that the terms "progressive&...I'm not sure that the terms "progressive" or "liberal" really have much relevance in today's America.<br />The vast majority of Americans wouldn't know "progressive" if it bit them on the ass.<br />Even the "far-right" politicians in Europe are way to the left of most Democrats in the U.S.<br />The pendulum has swung so far to the right in the U.S. since 1980 that we have a "liberal" president today whose policies are actually to the right of those of Richard Nixon. In fact, on domestic policies, Nixon was far to the left of Bill Clinton.<br />As Michael Moore once pointed out, Nixon was the last "progressive" president we had in this country.<br />Really, both parties today are pro-corporate and exist only to serve the interests of the rich and powerful.Marc McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17105754072842852126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-33669124589235881282010-11-19T12:48:26.500-06:002010-11-19T12:48:26.500-06:00TC, I disagree with your premise sir. ;)Voting for...TC, I disagree with your premise sir. ;)Voting for someone other than the two political parties in charge is a brave vote and it equates with NV's law of "none of the above".Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06698117410778232102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-7484676683428854732010-11-19T12:36:55.029-06:002010-11-19T12:36:55.029-06:00Typo alert:
However, I think the idea of running ...Typo alert:<br /><br />However, I think the idea of running off and voting for a third party candidate, who has zero chance of winning, or even worse, not voting at all, because we can't have it all now is NOT a truly progressive position.TomCathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11397335545286040472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-13936951718227420172010-11-19T12:34:21.319-06:002010-11-19T12:34:21.319-06:00I'm fully both, Jack. The biggest difference,...I'm fully both, Jack. The biggest difference, as I see it, is that liberals tent to seek incremental change and progressives want sweeping change. In my ideal world, I want what I want and I want it NOW! But my practical side knows that, no matter how I would like to, I do not live in my ideal world. So I look at Obama, praise his accomplishments, and criticize his faults. He has both in abundance.<br /><br />However, I think the idea of running off and voting for a third party candidate, who has zero chance of winning, or even worse, not voting at all, because we can't have it all now is a truly progressive position. One who abandons any PROGRESS out of spite, opening the way for the the likes of the Republican Party is not an authentic progressive. That is a regressive path, not a progressive one.TomCathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11397335545286040472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-59201557955786271792010-11-19T10:06:59.684-06:002010-11-19T10:06:59.684-06:00I take your point Jack! I have a bunch of young f...I take your point Jack! I have a bunch of young folks around me all the time who are active in the local community and care about politics. Each has some specific focus in it all, too! They are not stand offish... they are the organizers around here. They are all rooted in 'green environment & economy'... local, local, local! That eventually makes it global. And they have a point. <br /><br />(ps... ta for the plug for our radio zone!)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16419040049480437384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-45130529437822093342010-11-19T09:24:29.123-06:002010-11-19T09:24:29.123-06:00Well stated, as always, Manifesto Joe. I wonder ju...Well stated, as always, Manifesto Joe. I wonder just how critical future historians will be of the past 30 years...Jack Jodellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02165430903903838990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-52844471124569813292010-11-19T02:29:39.238-06:002010-11-19T02:29:39.238-06:00Progressive or liberal?
"Liberal," when...Progressive or liberal?<br /><br />"Liberal," when you read the tenets, involves a lot of things that I would perhaps like to believe but can't.<br /><br />(1) That humans are essentially good, corrupted primarily by bad institutions. Rapid response: It was the humans who created them. And, my life experience has NOT been that humans are essentially good. Quite often they are absolute shits. They seem to be a 50-50 proposition, mostly.<br /><br />(2)"Liberal" means different things in different parts of the world. Largely, it means "neo-liberal," referring mainly to economic policies that are very pro-capitalist. I am all for the market doing what it does better than the public sector. But observation suggests that this isn't the case a lot of times, so that's when the public sector has to provide a pluralistic balance to counter private power.<br /><br />(3) The notion that history is sort of linear, moving toward the ultimate improvement of the human condition. Oh, that this were so! We're seeing terrible regression these days. It's not two steps forward, one step back; more like 2.0 steps forward, and about 1.99 steps back.<br /><br />Anyway, my reasons that I am more comfortable with the label of "progressive" than that of "liberal." Enough for now.Manifesto Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06521151220297061304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-15586135579482861932010-11-18T11:17:02.191-06:002010-11-18T11:17:02.191-06:00Dusty,
Thanks for stopping back, and I share your ...Dusty,<br />Thanks for stopping back, and I share your viewpoint that there are only a handful of our current officeholders to admire and trust in. It is up to people like you and I to elect MORE good quality, true public servants! That is our unceasing task.Jack Jodellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02165430903903838990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-21447197014338886212010-11-18T10:31:07.647-06:002010-11-18T10:31:07.647-06:00Jack, I am an old bitch and I have never missed an...Jack, I am an old bitch and I have never missed an election since I turned 18. I do however, on occasion, vote for one of my cats, usually Scooter Lee, when I can't stomach any of the candidates on the ballot. I am registered as Decline to State here in Cali as I hold no allegiance to any party.<br /><br />With Feingold and Grayson voted out of office, there are only a handful of politicians that I trust and admire.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06698117410778232102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-63592379571754978102010-11-18T10:13:04.317-06:002010-11-18T10:13:04.317-06:00Dusty,
Thanks for stopping by and for your comment...Dusty,<br />Thanks for stopping by and for your comment, too. I tend to agree that it will take something very drastic for us to get another leftist President, but I caution everyone against outright apathy and noninvolvement, because that just guarantees we will end up with another W. And that is something we CANNOT put up with!Jack Jodellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02165430903903838990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-30194695977410301822010-11-18T10:03:45.889-06:002010-11-18T10:03:45.889-06:00Labels are bullshit, in my humble yet quite vocal ...Labels are bullshit, in my humble yet quite vocal opinion. I am way left of the center, that's all I know. <br /><br /><br />I am also enough of a realist to know that we will never elect a Pres that is left of the center, unless the Rethugs get in and screw us like they did under The Shrub and the voters go 180 the other way. I figured The Big O was a centrist or a great bullshit artist, as I don't usually trust anyone that is so eloquent, but I voted for him as the lesser of two evils. <br /><br />This is one fine post dude...putting ya on my must read list. Saw your comment over at Lord Truthys place. ;)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06698117410778232102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-1836936230409286392010-11-17T23:40:05.919-06:002010-11-17T23:40:05.919-06:00Thank YOU, Oso! I'll look for it and comment t...Thank YOU, Oso! I'll look for it and comment there.Jack Jodellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02165430903903838990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6234638383123311700.post-39404422745604337132010-11-17T23:35:22.190-06:002010-11-17T23:35:22.190-06:00Thanks, Mycue23, for this very well-reasoned comme...Thanks, Mycue23, for this very well-reasoned comment. I know my post provoked a lot of thought on your part, just as yours did for me. <br /><br />I, like you, am not willing to write off the President yet. Gwen knows this too. I AM disappointed that Gitmo remains open and that he didn't press harder for a public option. Because I believe that 15 or 20% of SOMETHING is much better than 100% of nothing, or ANY fraction of the current GOP agenda, I, like you, am willing to ride this out. I DO hope, in the next two years, that the President will become a better communicator and tactician, though. He'll need every single bit of political skill he can muster to outwit and overcome the concerted Republican effort of hatred against him. And I know you and I will be with him in 2012, because there isn't a Republican alive today who is offering an agenda that is palatable or practical. We on the left are in a familiar pose: many of us are disagreeing and want to proceed at different rates in advancing a more just and humane public policy. But, as FDR once wisely observed, that is because (leftists and) Democrats have many ways to move forward, but the Republicans have only one way to move, and that is backward.<br /><br />Blog on, brother---I love ya! :-)Jack Jodellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02165430903903838990noreply@blogger.com